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Post by vawrestler02 on Feb 18, 2024 11:23:28 GMT -5
Now that the wrestlers have had a day to enjoy their success can we discuss the reality of VA wrestling? I saw multiple Champs/Placers who have consistently been beaten by wrestlers from other classes who placed lower. VHSL needs to fix the disaster that is our state tournament(s). Having six public and one private state champion per weight is not helping these wrestlers in the long run.
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Post by foehammer on Feb 18, 2024 11:55:46 GMT -5
VH$L loves having six classes
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Post by jackwebster on Feb 18, 2024 12:04:51 GMT -5
VH$L loves having six classes Idk. I would guess that most ADs and most coaches like the 6 classes, too. Wrestling coaches might be the exception, but I doubt it. Think about it like this: winning that state title is important enough for individuals to switch weight classes for the post-season, I.e. pick an easier road. Why wouldn't that sort of attitude be common for coaches?
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Post by chemo on Feb 18, 2024 14:26:00 GMT -5
Now that the wrestlers have had a day to enjoy their success can we discuss the reality of VA wrestling? I saw multiple Champs/Placers who have consistently been beaten by wrestlers from other classes who placed lower. VHSL needs to fix the disaster that is our state tournament(s). Having six public and one private state champion per weight is not helping these wrestlers in the long run. How are six public and one private classes not helping these wrestlers in the long run?
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Post by vawrestle01 on Feb 18, 2024 14:30:14 GMT -5
Now that the wrestlers have had a day to enjoy their success can we discuss the reality of VA wrestling? I saw multiple Champs/Placers who have consistently been beaten by wrestlers from other classes who placed lower. VHSL needs to fix the disaster that is our state tournament(s). Having six public and one private state champion per weight is not helping these wrestlers in the long run. How are six public and one private classes not helping these wrestlers in the long run? because it makes VA state placements mean virtually nothing to college coaches, even if they are a talented wrestler
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Post by chemo on Feb 18, 2024 14:35:33 GMT -5
How are six public and one private classes not helping these wrestlers in the long run? because it makes VA state placements mean virtually nothing to college coaches, even if they are a talented wrestler Disagree. Kids are still going D1 from Virginia. These kids all wrestle each other during the year. States is one tournament. Coaches evaluate on talent not state championships. Consolidating to 1 class won’t make Virginia wrestling better than Pennsylvania who has two classes. Better wrestling will make Virginia wrestling better, not fewer classes.
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Post by luffy on Feb 18, 2024 15:48:55 GMT -5
The less classifications is for the adults. It doesn’t really help wrestling get better. You have a lot of kids going to college and wrestle from Va. how many states have 1 state champ?
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Post by chemo on Feb 18, 2024 15:52:16 GMT -5
The less classifications is for the adults. It doesn’t really help wrestling get better. You have a lot of kids going to college and wrestle from Va. how many states have 1 state champ? Agreed.
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Post by onepiece on Feb 18, 2024 21:07:38 GMT -5
Disagree. Kids are still going D1 from Virginia. These kids all wrestle each other during the year. States is one tournament. Coaches evaluate on talent not state championships. Consolidating to 1 class won’t make Virginia wrestling better than Pennsylvania who has two classes. Better wrestling will make Virginia wrestling better, not fewer classes. The point is, when a state champ in one class has routinely lost to a 2nd, 3rd, 4th place finisher in another class, that wrestlers placement is worthless. Unless those wrestlers are traveling and competing outside VA, they will not go D1. Just simple logic. Your statement is everything that is wrong with wrestling and hurts the sport a lot more than 6 divisions. You are completely dismissing all colleges other than D1. It’s about getting kids to college. Getting to keep getting better and building. By your logic there should not be any sports outside of D1 because there are worthless.
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Post by swvapride on Feb 18, 2024 21:14:21 GMT -5
I like the 6 plus 1 divisions personally. Yeah we give a lot of state titles out in VA. Yes a state championship here doesn’t mean the same as it does in other states but if you saw the emotion from those 1A 2A and 3a kids after winning I would not want to take that away from them. If a college wants to recruit a kid they will whether they compete in a weaker division or not. Make the kids happy, recruiters can always find the best wrestlers imo.
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Post by chemo on Feb 18, 2024 21:23:33 GMT -5
Your statement is everything that is wrong with wrestling and hurts the sport a lot more than 6 divisions. You are completely dismissing all colleges other than D1. It’s about getting kids to college. Getting to keep getting better and building. By your logic there should not be any sports outside of D1 because there are worthless. Strike a nerve maybe? My logic fits the college model. Have 3 classes (D1 D2 D3) and everyone else can wrestle in a rec/club league if they want. The serious wrestlers will always float to the top. But we should make that path as clear as possible. 6 states champs (7 including VISSA) is not a clear path. You forgot NAIA, JUCO, and NWCA for college. 6 divisions in college.
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Post by nnkwrestling on Feb 18, 2024 21:29:45 GMT -5
Some schools are lucky to even have 6 or 7 kids try out. Most of which have never wrestled or been around the sport a day in their life. They don’t have the state or national level coaching to even get those kids to that level. If you combine you will kill the sport not help it. I’ve seen kids who come out freshman year and catch on quick go to camps put in the work and compete on the top level. But I’ve also seen kids who are just out there to have fun and don’t want to do anymore than that. There are plenty of tournaments and camps that will get kids college attention who want it. Everyone says 1A is watered down but I’ve seen 1A kids who never won a state championship but only placed go on to wrestle in college because coaches saw the work they put in on and off the mat. Virginia will never be Pennsylvania give that up. Instead help to bring knowledge of the sport to struggling programs and help build our state wrestling to the best we can make it.
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Post by chemo on Feb 18, 2024 21:32:06 GMT -5
Disagree. Kids are still going D1 from Virginia. These kids all wrestle each other during the year. States is one tournament. Coaches evaluate on talent not state championships. Consolidating to 1 class won’t make Virginia wrestling better than Pennsylvania who has two classes. Better wrestling will make Virginia wrestling better, not fewer classes. The point is, when a state champ in one class has routinely lost to a 2nd, 3rd, 4th place finisher in another class, that wrestlers placement is worthless. Unless those wrestlers are traveling and competing outside VA, they will not go D1. Just simple logic. That wrestler’s worthless placement is not hurting anyone though. Those 2nd, 3rd, 4th placers won’t go D1 if they aren’t good enough. Period. Consolidating divisions will not change that. Colleges will find talent wherever it is. States is one weekend. Don’t put too much stock in it. As far as traveling and competing, we are in a very fortunate location. NHSCAs are in Virginia Beach and Super 32 in North Carolina. Those top 4 placers that you mention from all classes are automatically qualified for Super 32. Those national tournaments is where the real recruiting goes on.
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Post by chemo on Feb 18, 2024 21:37:20 GMT -5
Some schools are lucky to even have 6 or 7 kids try out. Most of which have never wrestled or been around the sport a day in their life. They don’t have the state or national level coaching to even get those kids to that level. If you combine you will kill the sport not help it. I’ve seen kids who come out freshman year and catch on quick go to camps put in the work and compete on the top level. But I’ve also seen kids who are just out there to have fun and don’t want to do anymore than that. There are plenty of tournaments and camps that will get kids college attention who want it. Everyone says 1A is watered down but I’ve seen 1A kids who never won a state championship but only placed go on to wrestle in college because coaches saw the work they put in on and off the mat. Virginia will never be Pennsylvania give that up. Instead help to bring knowledge of the sport to struggling programs and help build our state wrestling to the best we can make it. Exactly. A kid on my son’s team started two years ago and has come along nicely. Was hoping to qualify for states his senior year. Did it this year as a junior. His goal was to not get pinned at states and he didn’t. He’s not a great wrestler and he knows it. But, he is working his tail off and really enjoys it. Got his little brother to start wrestling and that kid was a beast this year in middle school. Got a couple of his friends to wrestle. That is how you grow the sport and get Virginia better.
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Post by broccoliear on Feb 18, 2024 22:12:51 GMT -5
As someone who is connected to various college coaches throughout the country, they don't care if a kid is a 1A champ or a 6A qualifier. If they fit the team or can produce for the team, they will get recruited. A lot of recruitment happens in off-season tournaments anyways.
I used to care about the divisions, but now I just care about the things I can control. Am I doing the best I can for my wrestler's needs? Am I pushing them to be the best versions of themselves? If they want to wrestle in college, am I being realistic with them? Not everyone is a D1 athlete.
Even so, very few D1 athletes make a living off of wrestling. Finding the right fit for the athlete's future is so much more important than the number attached to the division.
Recruiting has changed. There used to be a few national tournaments each year, now there are too many to count each week. There used to be a lot more D1 programs to fill. Now there are too few D1 programs to address the high school wrestling population.
Where I grew up, things were different, but I was in a big wrestling state. It didn't matter what division Logan Steiber was from in Ohio (D-3 the smallest) he still became a 4x NCAA champ. Do you think the Buckeyes wouldn't recruit him because he was from a small school?
Recruiting is less about the coach and more about the athlete. Coaches will find the athletes no matter where they come from. Some of which never fully mature until they get out of high school anyways.
If you want to wrestle in college, you can. There is a program out there for you. It may be a Big10 program, it may be a club team. There are plenty of opportunities to continue your career, but most importantly, make sure you are setting up tmyour life's career. Being a high school wrestling coach does not pay the bills. I promise. But it sure is fun, no matter how many divisions there are.
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