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Post by wrestlinggods on Feb 18, 2024 20:04:47 GMT -5
Agree on all the above. If you watch how the Goodson kid acts, wrestles, respects opponents and speaks to adults that’s how kids should act!
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Post by anonymous on Feb 18, 2024 20:28:02 GMT -5
People guessing Wynn was talking smack before a match it kind of funny. He is quiet… super quiet. Unless his tiktok account is his smack talking. From what I see he never talks about his opponents on there. I see Wynn standing up from the spladle, then getting shoved, moving away from him and going to his crowd. Got his hand raised and then did say something, don’t know what though. The hush was a little out of line too. I get they are booing you, but that’s just a little bad. On the podium though, I was nearby the medal ceremony and you can clearly hear Harrell (and his fans in the stand) starting more commotion, causing Wynn to point back up to them. Overall, just a dirty match. Wynn kids deserves it way more. Pretty much, don’t start beef if you can’t handle the retaliation🤷♂️.
It could’ve been way worse if Wynn were to fight back, but he didn’t. Props to him for keeping composure.
Just my piece, feel free to comment.
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Post by wrestlinggods on Feb 18, 2024 20:34:21 GMT -5
I agree with most of your comments. I was sitting in Poq/Staunton River section. Seemed like most of the booing/comments that I heard was all directed at the ref (who I didn’t see ref again). I didn’t hear anything directed towards Wynn. But agreed I didn’t like what I saw after the match or on the podium or in the stands.
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Post by wrestler2027 on Feb 18, 2024 20:49:59 GMT -5
1. I'm just gonna go out and say it...I think I counted around 6+ girls who qualified to the 1a-3a states this year. I think a girl placed in 3A too. I get it, girls have it tough and they need to wrestle. However, in no way should a girl qualify in a guys state tournament. This shows just how watered down the Virginia state tournament is. 3 classes at the minimum. The same as a guy shouldn't compete in a girls state tournament. It's just silly when you think about a hand to hand sport like wrestling. 2. Refs again? Why no consistency in scoring/calling stalls and stalemates. Examples: - Locked hand on nearside cradle from Poquoson. 2nd ref never even looked.
- 106 Semi's...Did RR get the 2? Look it up and you all decide. Seemed controversial.
-120 semi's. Grundy had zero shots against GC. Not a single stall call. GC took at least 10 and pushed the pace. Grundy rode double legs the whole time on top. - 106 Finals. Good Match. Poquoson wasn't pinned at all. Can't fault the JR kid, however, that was NOT a pin. Terrible call by the official. JR kid now has 2 asterisks along with his 2 titles. Both years refs has favored JR 106 kid.
-The same thing happed to the Union/Central match at I think 157/165. Central was dominating. Ref was too much in that match.
3. 1A wrestling. Good lord. Some of those kids looked like they didn't even have headgear that fit. Grundy doesn't belong in 1A. It's embarrassing for them to be in 1A. I would try my best to get to 2 or 3A or petition for fewer classes. Bragging about winning a 20+ something title seems ridiculous when you're facing kids who couldn't win local tournaments and end up in the finals of state. The VISAA teams located in NOVA are forced to forfeit if they are facing a female wrestler. Imagine a dual with an evenly matched team coming down to that match...I agree these ladies should be allowed to wrestle, but give them their own teams and tournaments
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Post by 3arankings on Feb 18, 2024 20:54:23 GMT -5
Maybe NOVA needs to get a little more progressive then.
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Post by 2aget2 on Feb 18, 2024 21:00:14 GMT -5
I don't have a dog in this fight, but if you watch the winner after the spladle he did bump the Poquoson kid on the way back to center. Add in all the showboating and smack talking afterwards (and likely before/during) and it's no surprise why Harrell was less than composed. Not condoning his behavior, but I get it, he seemed provoked - I say equal blame on both sides. I saw that too. Wynn provoked it. It was also the JR fans/mom's who rushed up the stairs to argue with other fans. I love the passion and intensity of the sport but adults need to set a good example. I'm not a fan of Austin De'santo or AJ Ferrari type wrestlers. I am somewhat friends with the James River mom that went up the stands and I was in the hall when Salem pd was figuring it all out. The daughter of James River mom was hit because she sat in an empty seat to watch her brother wrestle. They harassed her and she told them she was only sitting there for a few minutes. The other girl that was with her ran and got the mom when she got hit. Salem pd had witnesses and other mom ended up having assault charge. The James River mom went up there and got her daughter she was not aggressive and don’t get me wrong I don’t like how some of them act but this was not the same
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Post by cradlemaker on Feb 18, 2024 21:29:40 GMT -5
Just my two cents, but this Wynn kid has a ton of haters. My older boy played another sport with him a few years back and he was always respectful. When we run into him he always shakes my hand and calls me sir. Can’t imagine him being a big smack talker. He puts a lot of heart and training into wrestling even in the off season while playing others sports. Give the kid a break!
You can agree to disagree. I get on here for the comic relief and the bad predictions.
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Post by 2aget2 on Feb 18, 2024 21:30:53 GMT -5
The refs were much better than in previous years. Did they make mistakes yes, but I thought the 2 ref system has improved and helped the overall quality. Now there were plenty of parents that think they know wrestling, but don't know and one parent next to us was screaming "he is pinned" next to us when the opponent's shoulder was several inches off the mat. I thought the tournament was well run and the yellow jackets were more laid back this year than ever before. The fans also were mostly well behaved, however on day 2 a woman did go after 2 other women in the stands. Some fans wrongly assumed that our fans were at fault and were getting kicked out which was not true. I really don't understand how the police can put handcuffs on a parent that goes over a rail and hugs his son (last year), but when someone kicks another person in the back and uses their pocketbook as a weapon they don't handcuff anyone. There were witnesses to this and marks were present. As far as the finals in 2A the Poquoson kid was spraddled and his head was well up so physics tells me his shoulder blades had to be down, but I could not tell for sure 100%. I doubt anyone could tell for sure from the stands. To say it was good match seems off as well as the James River wrestler was dominating and had earned 2 sets of back points already. Last year he cradled and pinned the kid in finals everyone saw it. There are no asterisks on either of these 2 wins. There should be discussion about the Poquoson kid being such a poor loser pushing not once but at least twice. Their 120 was also punching and kicking kids in matches and I heard he tried to go up in stands after someone though I didn't see that happen. Seems like a trend for some Poquoson wrestlers. I agree on the 1000 2 day passes. That is pure greed bu the VHSL. You could visibly/ audibly hear the kid talking smack on the podium as well. Venue sucks. It’s old and outdated. No warm up mat, no hospitality, one concession stand. It’s easily the worst run tournament we attend all year. Females doing well at 120 and lower shows the lack of depth. It’s encouraging to see duals have matches instead of forfeits though, so please keep encouraging more of it. I think girls can wrestle with the boys during regular season if it helps make full teams but I think they should separate at state level comp. Salem venue is absolutely horrible for many reasons and most people would agree that it needs to be moved. There were many poquoson kids that were respectful and well tempered during and after their matches but there were at least 2 that were over the top and aggressive after losing. If I remember correctly one of them is a repeat offender of violence during and after matches and he should have been kicked off the team way before this tournament but condoned bad behavior will always continue we all know this
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Post by wrestler2027 on Feb 18, 2024 21:43:06 GMT -5
Maybe NOVA needs to get a little more progressive then. I agree. Just stating the facts.
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Post by matburn on Feb 18, 2024 22:11:22 GMT -5
Salem is and will always be crap! If a girl can hang then good for her. Don't like it, beat her. Wrestlers come in all shapes and sizes. Very few have been able to break through the ranks of top tier boys competition, but still doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed. After 2026, according to vhsl, they will not be. Problem will still remain in smaller areas of getting enough for a team consistently. It's hard enough to keep boys interested let alone girls. Throw in a 5 tournament rule, girls won't get near the number of matches unless you're out east. Girls are growing the sport though.
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Post by sugarfoot on Feb 18, 2024 22:44:06 GMT -5
Just my two cents, but this Wynn kid has a ton of haters. My older boy played another sport with him a few years back and he was always respectful. When we run into him he always shakes my hand and calls me sir. Can’t imagine him being a big smack talker. He puts a lot of heart and training into wrestling even in the off season while playing others sports. Give the kid a break! You can agree to disagree. I get on here for the comic relief and the bad predictions. I agree Wynn is a nice kid. This forum does give him a lot of slack for some reason. Many other kids that could have their wrestling career knit picked. Just his teammates alone Forbes only relies on his athleticism doesn’t put in much extra. I have never seen his name on track for a big off season tournament. Stewart not only did he not deserve to make it to the finals, but his father/coach doesn’t seem to coach well and loses his cool often in meets. Lastly, the Forbes family can get pretty rowdy if a match isn’t going their way. Every year we have athletes that do unsportsmanlike activities, however when our team is at a tournament with JRHS that Wynn kid is usually walking around socializing with all other teams not trash talking.
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Post by em460 on Feb 18, 2024 22:59:17 GMT -5
As far as the pin goes, I was one that of the fans who yelled he wasn't pinned. I went back and looked at the replay on Flo and judging from Wynn's body position I agree, Harrell shoulder blades were most likely touching. As far as the poor sportsmanship, it was way over the top. Watching the replay the Poquoson coaches didn't seem to mind. They just sat in their coaching chairs. Add in the fact that Withrow was out of control after his loss and it seems it may be a problem with the program. VHSL rules state that a player ejected from a basketball game has to sit out two events. I think the same kind of repercussions should be applied here. They both should be out 2 tournaments next year. Thoughts? A problem with the program? Who should have to set out? Did you see how the James River kid provoked him. I think all party’s involved acted inappropriately. Given that Poquoson wrestlers have responded to loses (and even wins) with unsportsmanlike behavior, then maybe the coaches and wrestlers need to be punished with more than just a team point being taken away and a warning. This is not a one wrestler/one event kind of thing they’ll address before next year but a pattern of behavior that goes against what VHSL supposedly expects of athletes, coaches and parents. And I’d say the same for every team with a pattern of behavior that Poquoson has shown this season.
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Post by wagner911 on Feb 19, 2024 0:02:58 GMT -5
Maybe NOVA needs to get a little more progressive then. Or maybe girls can compete where they belong, with the girls. Pennsylvania goes through the same thing. Catholic rules don’t allow for it. Progressive rules don’t need to be pushed onto anyone. Girls wrestling is in the rise and I support it fully. It honestly the only girl sport I’d watch. But girls need to stick to their own,
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Post by trophies4all on Feb 19, 2024 8:01:12 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is really knocking the Wynn kid. Just the fact the refs have controlled the match the last 2 years finals. Sooo many potentially dangerous calls last year when he was going to his back and this years pin call too quickly. Nice kid and very good wrestler. Can't fault the kid for wrestling his match.
The Poquoson kid was talking a lot and props to Wynn for keeping cool. I noticed he stayed back and didn't take the seat in the chair before the awards either.
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Post by trophies4all on Feb 19, 2024 8:12:37 GMT -5
Also family members should not be reffing matches in the same division as the kid competes period. He just be upset that his nephew got destroyed in a match and try to play a part in the outcome etc. That’s a very bad look. I overheard someone talking about that in 2A matches. They said he tries not to ref the JR matches. But he does ref the other kids where he can decide the outcome of who they will wrestle. If there is that much of a conflict, he need to ref one of the other 2 divisions, or maybe, not at all at state? Not sure which one he is thou so he may be a good ref we'd hate to lose.
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