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Post by matman on Feb 22, 2024 22:49:19 GMT -5
All thoughts and opinions are welcome. How should they handle scoring that many points? They are a very small school with a great heritage that plays the hand they are dealt very well. Are they as good as a mid 90s Grundy team? Id say no. Do they have the same numbers Id say no. Would Grundy scored as many points in double aa? Id say no to that too. What Grundy has done is made SWVA better and more capable of of competing at larger tournaments. if yall had a choice what would yall want grundy to do? and Why?
Also if im not mistaken Johnson Central from Ky a state with one division and also perennial powerhouse is also a product of Grundy wrestling.
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Post by swvawatcher on Feb 23, 2024 8:04:41 GMT -5
I have not lived in SW VA a long time, so I admittedly know little to nothing about Grundy's history or program other than seeing them on the mats the past few years.....
If kids are regularly moving into your area for a sport that would otherwise not be there, then moving up a division or two could make sense. In another state I lived, private/religious schools competed with public schools. They had a student population radius comparative to that of nearby public schools. IF they had students from outside that radius they were bumped a class auto to help compensate. I think VA could benefit from incorporating the private schools somehow like that too, but I've heard no way. I don't know if Grundy or any other public school is getting kids like that in VA, but if they are an auto bump for it would not be the worst possible thing.
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Post by 3arankings on Feb 23, 2024 12:29:06 GMT -5
I don't think you do anything with Grundy.
They are the best team in the state. Have been and will be moving forward. Do they beat SR or MV right now? No. Are they much better than them historically and likely going to be 10 years from now? Until proven otherwise, yes.
They score the most points in their division across all divisions.
They go to Virginia duals to challenge themselves against the best teams in Virginia, and Powerade to challenge themselves against some of the best individuals nationally.
They have a top tier coach and culture as opposed to 99 percent of the state.
They may have a move in or two.. but that comes with the coaching and culture I alluded to above.
Why change what isn't broken?
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Post by 3arankings on Feb 23, 2024 12:31:53 GMT -5
I think wanting them to come up, if you're not them, is selfish out of pure aspect of our entertainment. If you wanna wrestle them, their schedule is repetitive and you know where to find them. I've spent a weekend in Grundy, go give it a whirl.
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Post by trophies4all on Feb 23, 2024 12:36:25 GMT -5
All thoughts and opinions are welcome. How should they handle scoring that many points? They are a very small school with a great heritage that plays the hand they are dealt very well. Are they as good as a mid 90s Grundy team? Id say no. Do they have the same numbers Id say no. Would Grundy scored as many points in double aa? Id say no to that too. What Grundy has done is made SWVA better and more capable of of competing at larger tournaments. if yall had a choice what would yall want grundy to do? and Why? Also if im not mistaken Johnson Central from Ky a state with one division and also perennial powerhouse is also a product of Grundy wrestling. Are they has good as 90's? Heck no. No where close. They are 1A now. Back then it was bigger divisions. Girls wouldn't qualify. There are kids with literally losing records making state. 1A is somewhat of a joke for Grundy. Would they win 2A, probably so. But would they have 13 in the finals? No where close. There were soo many byes in the 1A state tournament because they can't get enough kids out in 1A. What are they now, around 30 teams who have wrestling in 1A? Most local HS tournaments have more teams (full teams at that). Grundy doesn't do anything to make SWVA better. You never see em, you never hear from em. They stick to their own team and do whatever they want.
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Post by rollin on Feb 23, 2024 13:30:15 GMT -5
Class 1 has 61 teams. The problem with class 1 is region b has 4 teams and riverheads bumped up to class 1. The junior class graduates at Grundy and they won’t be as dominant. However, next year will be more of the same.
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Post by trophies4all on Feb 23, 2024 14:40:49 GMT -5
61 Teams? Maybe for baseball. Here is wrestling:
1 Grundy 312.0 2 Grayson County 142.0 3 Rural Retreat 136.5 4 Galax 116.0 5 Parry McCluer 81.0 6 Fort Chiswell 75.5 7 Mathews High School 72.5 8 Buffalo Gap 71.0 9 Eastside 62.0 10 Holston 58.0 11 Northampton High School 57.5 12 George Wythe (Wytheville) 53.5 13 Lancaster High School 50.0 14 Chilhowie 43.0 15 Essex High School 33.0 15 Franklin 33.0 17 Cumberland 31.0 18 Patrick Henry (Glade Spring) 24.0 19 Castlewood 23.5 20 Giles High School 22.0 21 Honaker 21.0 22 Westmoreland 20.0 23 Northwood 16.0 24 Thomas Walker HS 12.0 25 Bath County High School 9.0 26 Rappahannock County 6.0 27 Northumberland High School 5.0 28 King and Queen Central School 2.0 29 John I. Burton 0.0 29 Middlesex High School
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Post by rollin on Feb 23, 2024 18:10:39 GMT -5
Sorry I was thinking 61% participating. Currently, vhsl requires 50%+1 to host a state championship. With the growth in wrestling for class 1, I don’t expect to see any changes.
Class 1 Region breakdown
Region A-Chinoteague, Essex, King and Queen, Lancaster, Matthews, Middlesex, Northampton, Northumberland, Westmoreland-9
Region B- Buffalo Gap, Cumberland, Franklin, Rappahannock Co -4
Region C- Auburn, Bath Co, East Montgomery, Fort Chiswell, Galax, George Wythe, Grayson Co, Giles, Parry McCleur-9
Region D-Castlewood, Chilhowie, Eastside, Grundy, Holston, Honaker, JI Burton, Northwood, Patrick Henry (GS), Rural Retreat, Thomas Walker -11
Class 1 33/54 61% of Schools have wrestling. However,this disparity in Region B this year is going to send 8 forfeits to the State tournament. If the regions were balanced this wouldn't happen and if we had half states it wouldn't happen. I hope when people see the brackets at state, they understand, there's lots of kids in the other 3 regions, who will be left home, who would love to fill in one of the 8 forfeits coming from Region C, after Riverheads bumped up to Class 2.
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Post by matburn on Feb 23, 2024 21:56:35 GMT -5
Grundy is always going to be grundy, get over it. Get better, and if it ain't enough then oh well. Are they as good as yester-year? No, but who is? Don't always agree with what's going on there but not mine so I don't really care. They've provided mats and resources to programs, $, any help ever asked, etc. Don't hate on them because they're consistently great. They want everyone this side of roanoke to be better than the other side, and this state to compete with others. It's what you do. Nobody likes to go through this and not improve but don't get butt-hurt if it comes at the expense of your baby getting beat by them. Too many resources not to get better these days, and I'm not talking YouTube. Heck, if you ask they'll let you bring your kids by for a workout and you might learn something yourself. As far as classes go, fix the eastern side of the state #s, not c & d. They can hold their own.
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Post by lowsingle on Feb 23, 2024 23:18:29 GMT -5
Sorry I was thinking 61% participating. Currently, vhsl requires 50%+1 to host a state championship. With the growth in wrestling for class 1, I don’t expect to see any changes. Class 1 Region breakdown Region A-Chinoteague, Essex, King and Queen, Lancaster, Matthews, Middlesex, Northampton, Northumberland, Westmoreland-9 Region B- Buffalo Gap, Cumberland, Franklin, Rappahannock Co -4 Region C- Auburn, Bath Co, East Montgomery, Fort Chiswell, Galax, George Wythe, Grayson Co, Giles, Parry McCleur-9 Region D-Castlewood, Chilhowie, Eastside, Grundy, Holston, Honaker, JI Burton, Northwood, Patrick Henry (GS), Rural Retreat, Thomas Walker -11 Class 1 33/54 61% of Schools have wrestling. However,this disparity in Region B this year is going to send 8 forfeits to the State tournament. If the regions were balanced this wouldn't happen and if we had half states it wouldn't happen. I hope when people see the brackets at state, they understand, there's lots of kids in the other 3 regions, who will be left home, who would love to fill in one of the 8 forfeits coming from Region C, after Riverheads bumped up to Class 2. If we’re being honest, Buffalo Gap should be in Region C. They’re closer to most of the C teams than any of the Region B teams. The alignment is ridiculous and needs to be redone. But having another team leaving B is not going to help 1A’s case. Not sure adding a team or two from C would help because some teams will still be 3-4 hours away from each other.
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Post by rollin on Feb 24, 2024 8:39:44 GMT -5
Here’s the fix, if anyone would do it is the other issue. Parry McCleur and Bathe Co to region B from C. Then take the closest region A team and add it to B as well. That puts 8 in A, 7 in B. Then put Rural Retreat and Chilhowie in Region C. This would result in 9 in C and 9 in D. Truth is Rural Retreat’s district moved to D when Grundy dropped down. That kept them on the opposite sides at state.
I would personally love to see the return of “Half State” or “Super Region”. That is the only system that puts the top 2 kids in the finals. With rotation, every year we see some 1 vs 2 in the semifinals. I think the best system allows the top 2 to meet in the finals.
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Post by trophies4all on Feb 24, 2024 9:05:29 GMT -5
Grundy is always going to be grundy, get over it. Get better, and if it ain't enough then oh well. Are they as good as yester-year? No, but who is? Don't always agree with what's going on there but not mine so I don't really care. They've provided mats and resources to programs, $, any help ever asked, etc. Don't hate on them because they're consistently great. They want everyone this side of roanoke to be better than the other side, and this state to compete with others. It's what you do. Nobody likes to go through this and not improve but don't get butt-hurt if it comes at the expense of your baby getting beat by them. Too many resources not to get better these days, and I'm not talking YouTube. Heck, if you ask they'll let you bring your kids by for a workout and you might learn something yourself. As far as classes go, fix the eastern side of the state #s, not c & d. They can hold their own. Say you're from Grundy without saying you're from Grundy.
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Post by trophies4all on Feb 24, 2024 9:07:54 GMT -5
No way the realign the regions. This would affect too many sports. Half state is the way to go but try to get Region B on board. Good luck. Region be has all the reasons to NOT join. The other regions need to out vote em. I would think all the AD's could come together and out vote Region B.
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Post by lowsingle on Feb 24, 2024 9:34:04 GMT -5
All of the coaches in Region B wants Super Regions. Region A wanted out and still wants out. Have to get them on board to make it happen.
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Post by matman on Mar 2, 2024 12:04:28 GMT -5
Im a Grundy fan but now its looking like they are loving the 6 class system and the participation trophies it brings.
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