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Post by wrestlinghokiefan on Mar 3, 2024 12:15:13 GMT -5
Holding kids back has become a major thing. I believe that they should allow highschool kids to hold back a year instead of cutting it off in middle school a lot of these kids don’t figure out that there good or have more potential to be good until their in highschool. But then again does holding a kid back a year really cause that much of a difference if so is the difference so drastic that it shouldn’t be allowed just something that’s been on my mind I wanna hear y’all’s thoughts on this
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Post by chrisrowe on Mar 3, 2024 21:31:11 GMT -5
If your goal is to maximize the kid's wrestling success in high school then holding back is the clear winner.
If your goal is to set the kid up for success academically and athletically then it's really up to each kid if he's ready or not. Some kids, regardless of wrestling, can benefit from holding back. There are other kids who are already so far ahead academically that holding back makes no sense.
I'll say this though, to be a 14 year old state champ is difficult. 15-16 is when kids starts to become physically mature. Most freshman state champs are 15/16 yr old.
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Post by cavfan on Mar 6, 2024 23:43:54 GMT -5
Holding kids back has become a major thing. I believe that they should allow highschool kids to hold back a year instead of cutting it off in middle school a lot of these kids don’t figure out that there good or have more potential to be good until their in highschool. But then again does holding a kid back a year really cause that much of a difference if so is the difference so drastic that it shouldn’t be allowed just something that’s been on my mind I wanna hear y’all’s thoughts on this I'm not aware of any rule prohibiting holdbacks in highschool. At least not from a VHSL standpoint. I don't think it is a good idea though. I think it may complicate college acceptance and GPA average. It definitely makes a difference. That's why so many college athletes red shirt their freshman year. I do believe it has gotten out of hand and it is motivated by wrestling dad's with unrealistic expectations. I have seen some kids held back and end up wrestling at the national level and go to D1 schools. I have also seen kids who are 19 their senior year and are still finishing mid podium behind 17 year olds. If a wrestler doesn't figure out he is good until highschool than D1 is out, but alot of D3 and NAIA coaches will look at how a wrestler is improving and progressing year to year. If a wrestler is not interested in continuing education and wrestling after highschool I don't think you should do a holdback just to place high at States. Just my opinion.
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Post by maroondude on Mar 7, 2024 9:07:31 GMT -5
We purposely induced labor on August 1 around 5 pm so our son would be able to hit the 19 year old rule. I had my wife hold him in until just after mid night. Lil Homie is going to be 19 and a half at states his senior year!!!
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Post by swvapride on Mar 7, 2024 12:08:20 GMT -5
Just curious what are the ages of the freshman winners this year? I am betting most if not all are 16. Anyone have the stats to back up my theory? I don’t personally know any of the winners.
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Post by chrisrowe on Mar 7, 2024 13:51:49 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, I did a quick review of 2024 states:
Freshman winners: Scarberry 1-175 15 Cash 2-113 14 Owsley 2-120 16 Bush 4-113 15
So cash is the only one that is 14. Bush is only freshman winner from 4/5/6 classes.
Other top freshman placers:
Runner-up: Dye 1-106 15 Buffum 3-106 15 Black 4-106 -14? Wetzler 6-106 14
3rd: Cuic 3-106 ?? Svetanant 4-126 14 Zagorites 4-150 15 Zaky - 4-215 14 (this is impressive being 14 yr old competing at 215) Kovacs 5-106 15 Van Hoven 6-106 16 Santos 6-113 14
4th: Owens 4-120 14 Keyes 5-120 14
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Post by rollin on Mar 7, 2024 14:37:27 GMT -5
How many of these kids are breathing oxygen? This whole discussion is kinda ridiculous. Depends on when they start their kids in school and if they choose to hold back their kids. Really not even worth the discussion, most of the top tier guys have maxed their age. I think it’s best for all kids and I wish all kids graduated at 19. The maturity difference can be a huge factor in the college transition.
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Post by robo on Mar 7, 2024 15:04:15 GMT -5
It's basically up to the family. I graduated from high school at the age of 16 and was starting at safety college at the age of 17. Was I ready size wise no, mentally yes. I learned to adapt but holding kids back for sports isn't right for some kids. Growing up with the same kids from kindergarten thru middle school now when it comes to high school, I'm a year behind all my friends I grew up with, now is that right?
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Post by gobbler on Mar 7, 2024 17:03:27 GMT -5
We held our son back due to the uncertainty of what COVID would do to wrestling in 2020. He told his mom that he didn’t want to go to school if he couldn’t wrestle. We put him in private school for a year where he took the same course work he would have taken as a 9th grader. He won state this year by getting his 100th win, in the finals , on his 18th birthday as a Jr.
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Post by em460 on Mar 8, 2024 6:11:44 GMT -5
Holding kids back has become a major thing. I believe that they should allow highschool kids to hold back a year instead of cutting it off in middle school a lot of these kids don’t figure out that there good or have more potential to be good until their in highschool. But then again does holding a kid back a year really cause that much of a difference if so is the difference so drastic that it shouldn’t be allowed just something that’s been on my mind I wanna hear y’all’s thoughts on this I'm not aware of any rule prohibiting holdbacks in highschool. At least not from a VHSL standpoint. I don't think it is a good idea though. I think it may complicate college acceptance and GPA average. It definitely makes a difference. That's why so many college athletes red shirt their freshman year. I do believe it has gotten out of hand and it is motivated by wrestling dad's with unrealistic expectations. I have seen some kids held back and end up wrestling at the national level and go to D1 schools. I have also seen kids who are 19 their senior year and are still finishing mid podium behind 17 year olds. If a wrestler doesn't figure out he is good until highschool than D1 is out, but alot of D3 and NAIA coaches will look at how a wrestler is improving and progressing year to year. If a wrestler is not interested in continuing education and wrestling after highschool I don't think you should do a holdback just to place high at States. Just my opinion. There is the semester rule, which would impact high school hold backs 28A-2-6-1 Semester Rule – The student shall not have been enrolled in the last four years of high school for a period of more than eight consecutive semesters, beginning with the semester in which he/she was enrolled for the first time in the ninth grade. The eight consecutive semesters shall be counted continuously from that point, regardless of whether or not he/she remains continuously enrolled in school. And the age rule 28A-1-1 Age Rule - The student shall not have reached the age of 19 on or before the first day of August of the school year in which he/she wishes to compete.
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Post by elvis on Mar 8, 2024 16:35:51 GMT -5
The VHSL rule for hold backs doesn't effect anything, the reclassification rule does. If a team has reclass kids on their roster that are 19 or older a team can say that they don't want them to participate in the tournament and their not allowed to participate if it's a VHSL sanctioned event. It's been happening a lot the last couple of seasons. It happen to Benedictine at the VA Duals a couple of years ago.
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Post by 3arankings on Mar 11, 2024 13:44:24 GMT -5
We purposely induced labor on August 1 around 5 pm so our son would be able to hit the 19 year old rule. I had my wife hold him in until just after mid night. Lil Homie is going to be 19 and a half at states his senior year!!! Good stuff. She definitely gets the toughness award at the banquet.
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Post by spencerjones on Mar 11, 2024 19:45:58 GMT -5
I heard some of the men at SR are so old, they are ineligible for their senior year. Seems silly. let the men wrestle.
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Post by jf on Mar 12, 2024 7:52:47 GMT -5
I heard some of the men at SR are so old, they are ineligible for their senior year. Seems silly. let the men wrestle. Is allowing 20 year old men to wrestle 14 year old boys acceptable to you? I say let them wrestle other similar aged men like at a prep school. Holding kids over 2 times for high school sports goes against any good faith standards to assure fairness in my opinion. And more than 1 from same team makes a person wonder what other rules have been bent.
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Post by warriorswrestling on Mar 12, 2024 8:51:53 GMT -5
"let the men wrestle" this is a joke right? lol
maybe parents should double check on rules before holding their kids back? I don't care if parents hold kids back for whatever reason they do it, but educate yourself beforehand.
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