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Post by colanowski on Jan 16, 2024 9:33:41 GMT -5
A DAY LATE...But not a dollar short
Contrary to popular belief...I am not just a forum blogger. I do have a day job. I started a new job last week and have been sitting in zoom trainings all week....BLAH!!! But back to regularly schedule program.
I'll start w the national scene. S/O to Tyler Traves of Mountain View for Winning ETR. That boy GOOD! Real good. In the last year he's won Folkstyle Nationals, Double AA at Fargo, and now adds a belt from Escape the Rock. Additional placers from VA Include:
107: Carter Shin(Chantilly, 5th)
113: Aidan Shufelt (Independence, 5th)
139: Walker Turley(StChris,4th)
145: Chase Van Hoven (Brooke Point, 2nd), Tyler Hood(StChris,6th)
152: Ben Weader(Chantilly, 7th), Mitchell Faglioni(StChris,8th)
Big Shoutout to Walker Turley, Tyler Hood, and Mitchell Faglioni from St Chris. Those guys have put some miles on their tires the last 2 months. They've battled some tough competition and come out better because of it. I'm excited to see what they can pull off on the national prep scene this year.
OK...No Lasagna here...I got beef. WHAT IS GOING ON IN HAMPTON!
I get it...I'm a "get off my lawn guy these days"...But why no national division? Why was Poqouson in Black and Blue? Why was CK Division so much tougher than Towne Bank?
I'll tell ya why...They need an unbias opinion and board to make these divisions.
They don't want to hurt their friends feelings giving them a tough road.
I'd be glad to step in and help. Here's my million dollar idea....get in the car. Drive to Charlottesville. Partner w VHSL to say we want to turn this event with 45 years of tradition into the VHSL State Dual Championships. Get rid of the colleges. Use these two days to turn this event into someone special and truly meaningful.
I know a lot of coaches treat this like their super bowl already...I gotta tell you this idea is foolproof.
Not a high school discussion but I was ANGRY...at VA DUALS for cutting off registration for the kids event. I feel like I should write a well written letter to the manager.
In other news...Woodgrove is good...That is all!
Lastly...Today is January 16, 2024. In 369 I(WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF SOME LINK MINDED INDIVIDUALS) will attempt to do something special. I will attempt to challenge the status quo...I hope we get push back and I hope we get people who say "your idea wont work"...I'm going to continue teasing this idea until I have a full on BOOM moment and drop this on you guys. But if you want something special that will make people say "we've wanted this our entire life..." stay tuned...
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Post by wrstlngcoach412 on Jan 16, 2024 12:38:33 GMT -5
As someone who attended VA Duals this weekend (and competed in the tournament in the past) it was weird to see mats empty each session with no team wrestling on them. It was also very confusing to have no National College Team bracket. Made it not as competitive in my opinion.
I am fine with them doing three 16 team high school brackets but they need to go back to the old way of having three divisions that go from least tough to most tough. They also should consider letting teams that lose before the finals having a chance to wrestle back for third. This will make the tournament more competitive and fun for wrestlers, coaches, and fans.
ALSO, they need to allow VISAA teams to compete. No where on their website does it say that they are not allowing it but in talks with the VA Duals directors they are not allowing VISAA teams to compete at the moment. If they don't want 8th graders competing in the duals that is any easy fix. Don't allow 8th graders! Teams like St. Chris and Paul IV are missing out on competing with some of the best teams in the state and east coast. Hopefully we see some fixes in the future.
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Post by wrestler2027 on Jan 16, 2024 14:12:48 GMT -5
Let's hope your plans come to fruition.
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Post by vbfalc0n01 on Jan 16, 2024 14:29:33 GMT -5
Great idea, we were actually talking about this at the VA duals! Extend the VHSL season or something, and make this an official event like PA.
How bout them Falcons ;-)
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Post by jr on Jan 16, 2024 16:15:36 GMT -5
I wonder if the VISAA teams are not included because they don't follow the same rules public kids follow? The rules like only 4 years of high school. The private schools reclass kids at the drop of a hat. There are 19 and 20 year olds wrestling 14 year olds. Not every kid is Bo Bassett in 9th grade. I alsdo believe private schools get 2 growth pounds in December and everyone else gets 1 on December 24th and another 1 January 24th. Then there are the 8th grade kids wrestling varsity. That extra year is huge and public school kids don't get that opportunity. I'm sure there are other advantages I don't about. There should be a level playing field.
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Post by wrestler2027 on Jan 16, 2024 16:38:22 GMT -5
I wonder if the VISAA teams are not included because they don't follow the same rules public kids follow? The rules like only 4 years of high school. The private schools reclass kids at the drop of a hat. There are 19 and 20 year olds wrestling 14 year olds. Not every kid is Bo Bassett in 9th grade. I alsdo believe private schools get 2 growth pounds in December and everyone else gets 1 on December 24th and another 1 January 24th. Then there are the 8th grade kids wrestling varsity. That extra year is huge and public school kids don't get that opportunity. I'm sure there are other advantages I don't about. There should be a level playing field. If parents choose to hold their child back prior to high school, they can. Same applies to public school so long as the student doesn't turn 19 prior to August 1 senior year they can participate in sports. Having a kid who came from public school into VISAA, I'm here to tell you there's plenty of opportunities for public school kids to wrestle in HS events as 8th graders. Truth is a lot of kids choose not to because their coaches/parents don't want them to, and they'reless competitive (Why wrestle a high school event and place middle of the field when you can dominate the middle school bracket right?) 🤔 I linked the rules above, but you are truly misinformed about how easy it is to reclassification for VISAA and how old an athlete can be and still participate. |
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Post by coach on Jan 16, 2024 17:15:40 GMT -5
There are no 20-year-olds competing in private schools. That is completely false. The VISAA follows the VHSL rule that you must not be 19 before August 1st. If you’re going to post about it, at least know what you’re stating.
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Post by wrestler2027 on Jan 16, 2024 17:41:14 GMT -5
There are no 20-year-olds competing in private schools. That is completely false. The VISAA follows the VHSL rule that you must not be 19 before August 1st. If you’re going to post about it, at least know what you’re stating. It's amazing what people convince themselves of when reality doesn't suit their narrative. I specifically know of a couple of cases of public school kids trying to "reclass" and transfer into a VISAA school; they were told no because they had already wrestled at least 1 HS season. |
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Post by jr on Jan 16, 2024 18:03:16 GMT -5
There are no 20-year-olds competing in private schools. That is completely false. The VISAA follows the VHSL rule that you must not be 19 before August 1st. If you’re going to post about it, at least know what you’re stating. It's amazing what people convince themselves of when reality doesn't suit their narrative. I specifically know of a couple of cases of public school kids trying to "reclass" and transfer into a VISAA school; they were told no because they had already wrestled at least 1 HS season. There is a wrestler in VISAA that wrestled in 2A in 2020 as a freshman and then transferred to a private school was reclassed as a freshman again and is still wrestling this year in 2024. Is he the only one? |
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Post by coach on Jan 16, 2024 18:19:12 GMT -5
Reclassing is allowed in private schools. You still can’t be 19 before August 1st for your senior year. Plenty of public school kids reclass. They just do it in middle school, since that is allowed.
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Post by foehammer on Jan 16, 2024 18:22:36 GMT -5
Reclassing is allowed in private schools. You still can’t be 19 before August 1st for your senior year. Plenty of public school kids reclass. They just do it in middle school, since that is allowed. yep, especially the baseball kids. |
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Post by wrestler2027 on Jan 16, 2024 18:26:41 GMT -5
It's amazing what people convince themselves of when reality doesn't suit their narrative. I specifically know of a couple of cases of public school kids trying to "reclass" and transfer into a VISAA school; they were told no because they had already wrestled at least 1 HS season. There is a wrestler in VISAA that wrestled in 2A in 2020 as a freshman and then transferred to a private school was reclassed as a freshman again and is still wrestling this year in 2024. Is he the only one?   The only possibility would be if the student had not met graduation requirement and did not turn 19 prior to August 1. See below: Section 2 –Age Requirement. The student shall not have reached the age of 19 on or before August 1 of the school year in which he or she wishes to compete. (This rule is not subject to appeal) Section 3 –Grade Level Requirement. Students in grades 8-12 are eligible for VISAA Events. Students below the 8th-grade level are ineligible for VISAA Events. Section 4 –Reclassification of a Student. A student wishing to repeat a grade (or reclassify) must do so for non-athletic reasons and in compliance with all conference requirements, as applicable. The change in grade status must be reflected in all school records and publications as soon as practicable following the date of reclassification. A student may not complete the graduation requirements of a school for any diploma category and receive athletic eligibility in the following year. Section 5 –Conference Requirement. Any student or school team ruled ineligible by a conference is considered ineligible for VISAA Events. A conference’s determination of eligibility under its rules is not appealable to the Appeals Committee of the Executive Committee or the Executive Committee. Section 6 –Senior Status Requirement. Attending academic classes while classified as a senior at any school marks the student’s last year of eligibility for VISAA Events. A student who has been classified as a senior at any school, who then transfers to a VISAA member school or another VISAA member school, is eligible for VISAA Events |
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Post by PolakPower on Jan 16, 2024 19:05:48 GMT -5
I wonder if the VISAA teams are not included because they don't follow the same rules public kids follow? The rules like only 4 years of high school. The private schools reclass kids at the drop of a hat. There are 19 and 20 year olds wrestling 14 year olds. Not every kid is Bo Bassett in 9th grade. I alsdo believe private schools get 2 growth pounds in December and everyone else gets 1 on December 24th and another 1 January 24th. Then there are the 8th grade kids wrestling varsity. That extra year is huge and public school kids don't get that opportunity. I'm sure there are other advantages I don't about. There should be a level playing field. LOL. You don't know the rules. And yes, elite middle school athletes sometimes do get held back in public schools. The majority of private school kids do not re-class, if they do, it is often because they came from a public school with inferior or different academic standards and they need to catch up. |
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Post by jr on Jan 16, 2024 20:03:05 GMT -5
Reclassing is allowed in private schools. You still can’t be 19 before August 1st for your senior year. Plenty of public school kids reclass. They just do it in middle school, since that is allowed. yep, especially the baseball kids. In my opinion holding a kid back in elementary or middle school is a little different from a wrestler competing the entire year including states in the 9th grade and then getting 4 more years of varsity. Seems like they would have to be 19 at least if they wrestled as a freshman then wrestled 4 more years in high school. |
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Post by dieselmcnastytron on Jan 17, 2024 11:33:52 GMT -5
Wrestled va duals high school and college. I'll say it was pretty awesome wrestling right beside Penn state, ok state, etc.
It's great having more teams in the American college division but mane I looked forward to seeing some top d1 teams show up
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