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Post by neckbar on Feb 12, 2021 19:50:25 GMT -5
First of all I am thankful we were able to have a wrestling season in this unusual Covid season.
Guidelines for state tournament qualifications were set before we really knew how many teams would be participating. Understandable.
However now we know that many of the teams, especially in Northern VA cancelled their season resulting in an anticipated 14 vacant spots out of Region 1 A/B.
Thier tournament is to be held tomorrow but from the rosters submitted and absent any not making weight or injuries there will be 14 byes in the state tournament.
This will be crazy and unacceptable to most fans.
The whole purpose of 6 divisions has been stated to get as many kids as possible to participate and achieve the ultimate goal of participating in the state tournament.
We have time to fix this!
A plan has been suggested that would allow the other half of the state to provide alternates who would fill the brackets. This seems reasonable if it is about the kids who did show up and wrestle a season during a covid pandemic.
Problems:
1. Setting a precedent that would be pointed to in future years. (This is an unusual year and therefore would not set a precedent)
2. Team scoring would be affected. (Every team in Region 1A/B will be able to take their entire roster win or lose except for 160 which has 5 wrestlers. They cannot possibly think this is somehow unfair to them)
(Alternates could be entered as separate team and not scoring if that is an issue.)
3. Who gets to be an alternate if there is not a clear alternate...i.e. Head to head or common opponents? (Ranked wrestlers preferred if any, records, or even a coin flip) There will be several from Region 1 A/B who did not win a match all season long or have a losing record and they will be wrestling in the state tournament.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
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Post by wrestlingfan on Feb 13, 2021 0:00:56 GMT -5
First of all I am thankful we were able to have a wrestling season in this unusual Covid season. Guidelines for state tournament qualifications were set before we really knew how many teams would be participating. Understandable. However now we know that many of the teams, especially in Northern VA cancelled their season resulting in an anticipated 14 vacant spots out of Region 1 A/B. Thier tournament is to be held tomorrow but from the rosters submitted and absent any not making weight or injuries there will be 14 byes in the state tournament. This will be crazy and unacceptable to most fans. The whole purpose of 6 divisions has been stated to get as many kids as possible to participate and achieve the ultimate goal of participating in the state tournament. We have time to fix this! A plan has been suggested that would allow the other half of the state to provide alternates who would fill the brackets. This seems reasonable if it is about the kids who did show up and wrestle a season during a covid pandemic. Problems: 1. Setting a precedent that would be pointed to in future years. (This is an unusual year and therefore would not set a precedent) 2. Team scoring would be affected. (Every team in Region 1A/B will be able to take their entire roster win or lose except for 160 which has 5 wrestlers. They cannot possibly think this is somehow unfair to them) (Alternates could be entered as separate team and not scoring if that is an issue.) 3. Who gets to be an alternate if there is not a clear alternate...i.e. Head to head or common opponents? (Ranked wrestlers preferred if any, records, or even a coin flip) There will be several from Region 1 A/B who did not win a match all season long or have a losing record and they will be wrestling in the state tournament. Any thoughts or suggestions? Fill the classes with alternates. This year is not a year to make permanent changes but a year to give these guys/gals a chance to wrestle. If the bracket isn’t full, use the alternates. |
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Post by crispychicken on Feb 13, 2021 0:10:53 GMT -5
Meh at this point lets get in and out. Make it quick so the boys can get on to football
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Post by pintowin on Feb 13, 2021 17:36:40 GMT -5
I guess we will find out if it is really about the kids or not. 14 byes in state tournament would be a joke.
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Post by oldman on Feb 13, 2021 20:39:08 GMT -5
Let them wrestle!
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Post by rollin on Feb 14, 2021 7:03:27 GMT -5
The VHSL has had byes in the state several times. I personally know of 4 times and all 4, the other half state could fill the bye. The VHSL ruling is that the only way someone gets in, that didn’t qualify, is if someone ahead of them scratches. So unless one of the current participants drops out, their is not a way to “put” them in. I expect the forfeits to stay, unless the VHSL wants to set a precedent that will perpetually fill the state bracket.
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Post by headgear6431 on Feb 14, 2021 9:44:11 GMT -5
The obvious problem here is there are just too many state brackets to fill! Covid or no Covid. I was always amazed that an organization could think 6 classes was a good idea when it produced 1A regions with less schools than a decent size district tournament under the old system.
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Post by pintowin on Feb 14, 2021 10:24:33 GMT -5
The VHSL has had byes in the state several times. I personally know of 4 times and all 4, the other half state could fill the bye. The VHSL ruling is that the only way someone gets in, that didn’t qualify, is if someone ahead of them scratches. So unless one of the current participants drops out, their is not a way to “put” them in. I expect the forfeits to stay, unless the VHSL wants to set a precedent that will perpetually fill the state bracket. There have been a few random byes in the past. Never 14. So with this logic football season will begin in Feb. next year? This is an unprecedented year. Sticking to what has been done in the past does not address reality. Make the adjustments to help the kids! |
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Post by stopstalling37 on Feb 14, 2021 15:44:40 GMT -5
Does anyone know if Class 1 A/B regionals are even going to happen? It's been a week since Class 1 C/D completed theirs and still nothing from the eastern side of the state. What's going on? Hell Riverheads will just have to make weight in most of their brackets but still what's the hold up
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Post by stopstalling37 on Feb 14, 2021 15:45:11 GMT -5
Does anyone know if Class 1 A/B regionals are even going to happen? It's been a week since Class 1 C/D completed theirs and still nothing from the eastern side of the state. What's going on? Hell Riverheads will just have to make weight in most of their brackets but still what's the hold up or should I say Stop Stalling!
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Post by rollin on Feb 14, 2021 16:25:06 GMT -5
AB has been postponed till tomorrow, there has been an ice storm delaying the event, if it doesn’t happen then, the participants will be determined by seed. This could shuffle a lot of expected results. With few matches and no head to head, I expect it would be seeded by win loss record.
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Post by pintowin on Feb 15, 2021 11:08:47 GMT -5
Here are just a few of the examples of ranked wrestlers who will not be able to compete in the state tournament although there will be at least 14 byes.
These are just out of Region D
106 Tanner Hartford Grundy #5
120 Gabe Joins Chilhowie #3
132 Justin Martin Rural Retreat #1
285 JC Horn Honaker #4
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Post by matman on Feb 15, 2021 13:08:27 GMT -5
Here are just a few of the examples of ranked wrestlers who will not be able to compete in the state tournament although there will be at least 14 byes. These are just out of Region D 106 Tanner Hartford Grundy #5 120 Gabe Joins Chilhowie #3 132 Justin Martin Rural Retreat #1 285 JC Horn Honaker #4 What happened to Martin? |
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Post by stopstalling37 on Feb 15, 2021 18:30:32 GMT -5
Here are just a few of the examples of ranked wrestlers who will not be able to compete in the state tournament although there will be at least 14 byes. These are just out of Region D 106 Tanner Hartford Grundy #5 120 Gabe Joins Chilhowie #3 132 Justin Martin Rural Retreat #1 285 JC Horn Honaker #4 What happened to Martin? Carson Griffey bumped up to 132 and beat Martin at regionals 2-1 dec. Top 2 move on so that knocked Martin out of state |
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Post by letsroll on Feb 15, 2021 18:37:50 GMT -5
Looks like VHSL can do better that 14 byes. There will be 15 byes unless they do something instead of sit on their hands.
3 wrestlers will make it to state even though they have not won a single match all year.
That seems real equitable but what can we do?
Where are the decision makers that are looking out for the best interest of the sport and the kids?
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