2A Preseason Rankings

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2A Preseason Rankings Oct 5, 2023 9:57:34 GMT -5 warriorswrestling likes this

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I am back and ready to release my first edition of 2023-24 2A rankings

I appreciate JR and Warriorswrestling for giving the first round a go

I look to include kids from our new 2A schools: Riverheads, Fort Defiance, Liberty (Bedford), Lebanon, Central (Lunenberg)

Some weights are weaker as they were senior heavy but I am interested to see how Riverheads affects the 2A race with their current wrestlers and up and comers. Strasburg returns a key core of wrestlers ready to go back to back to back while Poquoson is ready to become top dog once again.

Looking for confirmation or prediction of weights for kids if anyone has knowledge

Questions to be answered as well

Is Talen Hall out of Tazwell?

Is Chase Miller for sure out of Glenvar?

Is Cayden Cook-Cash going to wrestle?

Also if you know of any rising freshman, throw their name out there but back it up with results

106

Xaiden Wynn - JR 106 Champ Predicted Weight:

Kam Harrel - Poquoson 106 3rd Predicted Weight:

Alan Vu - Glenvar 106 4th Predicted Weight:

Conner Miller - Strasburg 106 6th Predicted Weight:

Mariah Roberts - Riverheads 106 6th 1A Predicted Weight:

Dylan Padgett - Nandua 106 SQ Predicted Weight:

113

Jared Goodson - Poquoson 113 Champ Predicted Weight:

Peyton Dean - Strasburg 113 2nd Predicted Weight:

Brayden Forbes - JR 113 4th Predicted Weight:

Kelan Ventro - Central (Wise) 113 5th Predicted Weight:

Winchino Verdieu - Arcadia 113 6th Predicted Weight:

Jesse Oldham - Riverheads 113 SQ 1A Predicted Weight:

120

Canaan Spears - Union 120 Champ Predicted Weight:

James Stewart - JR 120 2nd Predicted Weight:

Jadon Shanholtz - Strasburg 120 3rd Predicted Weight:

Ethan Cobbler - Patrick Co 120 4th Predicted Weight:

James Withrow - Poquoson 120 6th Predicted Weight:

Corey Chapman - Central (Woodstock) 120 SQ Predicted Weight:

126

Jake Yowell - Riverheads 126 Champ 1A Predicted Weight:

Heath Burks - Strasburg 126 Champ Predicted Weight:

Bryan Latta - Poquoson 126 3rd Predicted Weight:

Wyatt Stemburger - Clarke Co 126 5th Predicted Weight:

132

Lucas Martinez - Strasburg 132 2nd Predicted Weight:

Reed Booth - Poquoson 132 3rd Predicted Weight:

Christian Rector - JSB 132 4th Predicted Weight:

Wyatt Spencer - Richlands 132 5th Predicted Weight:

Landon Yoder - Fort Defiance 3A SQ Predicted Weight:

138

Evan Annese - Riverheads 138 4th 1A Predicted Weight:

James Ruehl - Poquoson 138 5th Predicted Weight:

Tristan Fadley - JSB 138 6th Predicted Weight:

144

Blake Jacobson - Clarke Co 144 3rd Predicted Weight:

Steven Spencer - Patrick Co 144 6th Predicted Weight:

Stevie Wood - Liberty (Bedford) 144 3A SQ Predicted Weight:

Ian Ray - Lebanon 144 1A SQ Predicted Weight:

150

David Burks - Strasburg 150 Champ Predicted Weight:

Tristen Hass - Graham 150 2nd Predicted Weight:

Taven Williams - Radford 150 3rd Predicted Weight:

Jude Davis - Central (Wise) 150 5th Predicted Weight:

157

Donovan Burks - Strasburg 157 6th Predicted Weight:

Cole Martin - Radford 157 4th Predicted Weight:

Kaden Dupree - Richlands 157 5th Predicted Weight:

Kalib Simmons - Lebanon 157 5th 1A Predicted Weight:

Ryan Hooper - King WIlliam 157 SQ Predicted Weight:

Keith Gerhard - Madison Co 157 SQ Predicted Weight:

165

Thomas Potter - Union 165 Champ Predicted Weight:

Matthew Marlowe - Chatham 165 2nd Predicted Weight:

Zakary Kendrick - Poquoson 165 SQ Predicted Weight:

Aiden Goode - Lebanon 165 SQ 1A Predicted Weight:

Mat McNeil - Liberty (Bedford) 165 SQ 3A Predicted Weight:

175

Ethan Flowers - Glenvar 175 Champ Predicted Weight:

Lance Duncan - Radford 175 3rd Predicted Weight:

Noah Ross - Riverheads 175 SQ 1A Predicted Weight:

190

Dawson Martin - Radford 190 2nd Predicted Weight:

Hutson Conrad - Strasburg 190 3rd Predicted Weight:

Noah Stills - JSB 190 6th Predicted Weight:

Izaak Keith - Union 190 5th Predicted Weight:

Noah Burnham - Central (Wise) 190 SQ Predicted Weight:

215

Charlie Davis - Radford 215 2nd Predicted Weight:

Tyler Forbes - Central (Woodstock) 215 3rd Predicted Weight:

Luke Josey - Central (Wise) 215 4th Predicted Weight:

Paul Pascale - Patrick Co 215 SQ Predicted Weight:

285

Nathan Lopez - Central (Woodstock) 285 Champ Predicted Weight:

Orrin King - Virginia 285 3rd Predicted Weight:

Noah Hodges - Bruton 285 4th Predicted Weight:

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2A Preseason Rankings Oct 5, 2023 13:48:43 GMT -5 warriorswrestling likes this

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Post by jr on Oct 5, 2023 13:48:43 GMT -5

You must not appreciate what we did too much because you completely ignored everything we did. I personally checked Track on every kid that is a returning state placer. In several instances kids have been wrestling recently so we used those weights for now. Example: Wynn, Harrell and Padgett just wrestled 106 in the past few weeks. There are plenty of others including some Strasburg, Riverheads, Radford, Poquoson and Clarke County kids. I also talked to some kids, parents and coaches this summer at clubs. No, we do not know where some kids will be wrestling yet, but we made some decent assumptions, yet you didn't even ask how we placed some of these kids in different weights. Talan Hall is at Grundy that is clear. The 1A rankings sheet already reflects that move. Miller is not at Glenvar right now(per a Glenvar source) and plays football for another team at a private school. If he finds a way back to Glenvar then he could be added. There are some injured wrestlers as well. I am aware that Potter injured his knee and could be out a good while. If someone has an update that would be appreciated. I'm aware of 2 state qualifiers that have significant football injuries as well. A ranker should check Track for recent history. They should ask coaches, parents and wrestlers what they know. It's a great source. That's what we tried to do. I hope you do the same. That would be a good start in my opinion.

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2A Preseason Rankings Oct 7, 2023 12:11:25 GMT -5 via mobile

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Seems more like a list of returning kids from last years state placings than actual ranking of this year. A lot of kids at different weight classes from where they’re listed here. Just a quick one I see is Goodson. He was a huge 113 pounder last year. No way he could make that again. He’s been wrestling 126 per track. And no incoming freshmen on there. Martinez from Strasburg, Cash from Riverheads are the 2 I can think of off the top of my head. Both could be 113. Cash has been wrestling 113. Doesn’t look like he’s going 106 at the tourneys he’s been going to. Not sure on Martinez. Haven’t seen anything on track with him.

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2A Preseason Rankings Oct 7, 2023 15:36:10 GMT -5 via mobile

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Latta weighed in at 140 for I64 duals today

Oct 7, 2023 12:11:25 GMT -5 wrestlinguy said:

Seems more like a list of returning kids from last years state placings than actual ranking of this year. A lot of kids at different weight classes from where they’re listed here. Just a quick one I see is Goodson. He was a huge 113 pounder last year. No way he could make that again. He’s been wrestling 126 per track. And no incoming freshmen on there. Martinez from Strasburg, Cash from Riverheads are the 2 I can think of off the top of my head. Both could be 113. Cash has been wrestling 113. Doesn’t look like he’s going 106 at the tourneys he’s been going to. Not sure on Martinez. Haven’t seen anything on track with him.

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2A Preseason Rankings Oct 7, 2023 20:39:13 GMT -5 via mobile

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Oct 7, 2023 15:36:10 GMT -5 warriorswrestling said:

Latta weighed in at 140 for I64 duals today

Oct 7, 2023 12:11:25 GMT -5 wrestlinguy said:

Seems more like a list of returning kids from last years state placings than actual ranking of this year. A lot of kids at different weight classes from where they’re listed here. Just a quick one I see is Goodson. He was a huge 113 pounder last year. No way he could make that again. He’s been wrestling 126 per track. And no incoming freshmen on there. Martinez from Strasburg, Cash from Riverheads are the 2 I can think of off the top of my head. Both could be 113. Cash has been wrestling 113. Doesn’t look like he’s going 106 at the tourneys he’s been going to. Not sure on Martinez. Haven’t seen anything on track with him.

That’s bigger than I thought he’d be going. I figured he’d go up to 32 with Goodson going 26. But looks like he’ll be at 38. Him and Burks would be fun to watch. Yowell and Burks would be an awesome match at states but doesn’t look like that’ll happen unless Yowell got a lot bigger.

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2A Preseason Rankings Oct 8, 2023 7:48:52 GMT -5 via mobile

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As JR pointed out we spent some time doing research when we put out our preseason rankings. Both Latta and Reed are both registered to wrestle 138 at super32. Our guess, Latta goes down to 132. Poq guys tend to make hard cuts.

James rhuel who wrestled 138 last year is wrestling 120 today and registered to wrestle 113 for super32.

Oct 7, 2023 20:39:13 GMT -5 wrestlinguy said:

Oct 7, 2023 15:36:10 GMT -5 warriorswrestling said:

Latta weighed in at 140 for I64 duals today

That’s bigger than I thought he’d be going. I figured he’d go up to 32 with Goodson going 26. But looks like he’ll be at 38. Him and Burks would be fun to watch. Yowell and Burks would be an awesome match at states but doesn’t look like that’ll happen unless Yowell got a lot bigger.

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2A Preseason Rankings Oct 8, 2023 15:12:44 GMT -5 via mobile

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Oct 8, 2023 7:48:52 GMT -5 warriorswrestling said:

As JR pointed out we spent some time doing research when we put out our preseason rankings. Both Latta and Reed are both registered to wrestle 138 at super32. Our guess, Latta goes down to 132. Poq guys tend to make hard cuts.

James rhuel who wrestled 138 last year is wrestling 120 today and registered to wrestle 113 for super32.

Oct 7, 2023 20:39:13 GMT -5 wrestlinguy said:

That’s bigger than I thought he’d be going. I figured he’d go up to 32 with Goodson going 26. But looks like he’ll be at 38. Him and Burks would be fun to watch. Yowell and Burks would be an awesome match at states but doesn’t look like that’ll happen unless Yowell got a lot bigger.

That’s a huge weight cut for James Rhuel from 38 down to 13. Doesn’t look like he has much more to get off at 120. But if he can maintain it he’ll be huge at 113. But I don’t see him maintaining 113 all season. But could possibly maintain 120. Tough route to go for a senior with that kind of weight cut.

warriorswrestling Senior Member womens Posts: 364	2A Preseason Rankings Oct 8, 2023 19:33:25 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by warriorswrestling on Oct 8, 2023 19:33:25 GMT -5 Heath Burkes wrestled up at 144 as well a couple weeks ago

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2A Preseason Rankings Oct 8, 2023 21:28:14 GMT -5 via mobile

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Oct 8, 2023 19:33:25 GMT -5 warriorswrestling said:

Heath Burkes wrestled up at 144 as well a couple weeks ago

I look for Burkes to go 138 for the season. He hasn’t been very active during the preseason stuff. So his weight could still be up some.

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2A Preseason Rankings Oct 9, 2023 7:50:33 GMT -5

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Oct 8, 2023 21:28:14 GMT -5 wrestlinguy said:

Oct 8, 2023 19:33:25 GMT -5 warriorswrestling said:

Heath Burkes wrestled up at 144 as well a couple weeks ago

I look for Burkes to go 138 for the season. He hasn’t been very active during the preseason stuff. So his weight could still be up some.

we assumed the same

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2A Preseason Rankings Oct 11, 2023 7:32:31 GMT -5

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Oct 8, 2023 21:28:14 GMT -5 wrestlinguy said:

Oct 8, 2023 19:33:25 GMT -5 warriorswrestling said:

Heath Burkes wrestled up at 144 as well a couple weeks ago

I look for Burkes to go 138 for the season. He hasn’t been very active during the preseason stuff. So his weight could still be up some.

Looks like he wrestled 150 this past weekend up at Tyrant Duals (weighing in at 147)

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2A Preseason Rankings Oct 11, 2023 8:10:05 GMT -5 via mobile

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Oct 11, 2023 7:32:31 GMT -5 warriorswrestling said:

Oct 8, 2023 21:28:14 GMT -5 wrestlinguy said:

I look for Burkes to go 138 for the season. He hasn’t been very active during the preseason stuff. So his weight could still be up some.

Looks like he wrestled 150 this past weekend up at Tyrant Duals (weighing in at 147)

I have him ranked at 144 lb weight class this year. From what I’ve seen that may be his spot. We’ll of course know more when they certify. Anyone know when weight certifications begin?

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2A Preseason Rankings Oct 11, 2023 8:53:28 GMT -5 via mobile stopstalling37 likes this

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Oct 11, 2023 8:10:05 GMT -5 stopstalling37 said:

Oct 11, 2023 7:32:31 GMT -5 warriorswrestling said:

Looks like he wrestled 150 this past weekend up at Tyrant Duals (weighing in at 147)

I have him ranked at 144 lb weight class this year. From what I’ve seen that may be his spot. We’ll of course know more when they certify. Anyone know when weight certifications begin?

If I’m not mistaken it’s end of the first week of practice and 2nd week of practice. If memory serves they have 2 weeks to get certified after they begin practicing. So we have a month before we see those.

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2A Preseason Rankings Oct 11, 2023 10:13:35 GMT -5 stopstalling37 likes this

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Post by thebystander on Oct 11, 2023 10:13:35 GMT -5

Oct 5, 2023 13:48:43 GMT -5 jr said:

You must not appreciate what we did too much because you completely ignored everything we did. I personally checked Track on every kid that is a returning state placer. In several instances kids have been wrestling recently so we used those weights for now. Example: Wynn, Harrell and Padgett just wrestled 106 in the past few weeks. There are plenty of others including some Strasburg, Riverheads, Radford, Poquoson and Clarke County kids. I also talked to some kids, parents and coaches this summer at clubs. No, we do not know where some kids will be wrestling yet, but we made some decent assumptions, yet you didn't even ask how we placed some of these kids in different weights. Talan Hall is at Grundy that is clear. The 1A rankings sheet already reflects that move. Miller is not at Glenvar right now(per a Glenvar source) and plays football for another team at a private school. If he finds a way back to Glenvar then he could be added. There are some injured wrestlers as well. I am aware that Potter injured his knee and could be out a good while. If someone has an update that would be appreciated. I'm aware of 2 state qualifiers that have significant football injuries as well. A ranker should check Track for recent history. They should ask coaches, parents and wrestlers what they know. It's a great source. That's what we tried to do. I hope you do the same. That would be a good start in my opinion.

I do greatly appreciate your work and maybe me labeling it as "Preseason Rankings" was not the right wording. I was more highlighting the top returners at each weight and trying to gather more information before my first official rankings come out. Did not mean to offend you and your time and work that you put in

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2A Preseason Rankings Oct 11, 2023 13:03:09 GMT -5 stopstalling37 likes this

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Post by jr on Oct 11, 2023 13:03:09 GMT -5

We are all trying to get to a place where there are accurate rankings for 2A so no worries. What we all really need is feedback from parents and coaches with information on who is wrestling at what weight. The ball is in their court. Thanks.

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